Recently Rick Warren explained why he has changed his beliefs and now affirms female pastors in his church (source).
According to Warren:
1. Because the Great Commission was given for all Christians (Matthew 28:19-20), women can be pastors.
2. Because the Holy Spirit caused both men and women to speak in tongues and prophesy at Pentecost (Acts 2; Joel 2:28), women can be pastors.
3. Because Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell the disciples about his resurrection in John 20, he "chose her to be the first preacher of the Gospel." Therefore, women can be pastors.
It’s true that both men and women are commanded to share the Gospel. It’s true that God’s Spirit caused both men and women to speak in tongues at Pentecost. It’s true that Mary told the disciples that Christ was alive.
But none of these passages say anything about church leadership and other passages directly address church leadership.
Scripture specifically explains the different roles of men and woman in the church.
Women are every bit as valuable and capable as men (Galatians 3:28; Philippians 4:3), but certain leadership roles are reserved for men (1 Timothy 2:11-15; Titus 1:5-9; 1 Timothy 3).
We may not fully understand the purposes behind these roles, but we can trust God to know what's best for us.
Eisegesis
Warren's conclusions are based on what theologians call “eisegesis.” This means a person starts with a belief and tries to find Scriptures to fit that belief. This is the opposite of “exegesis” which means we start with Scripture and formulate our beliefs according to what it teaches.
Conclusions reached by eisegesis contradict the straightforward messages in Scripture. This is certainly true in Warren's case (1 Timothy 2:11-15; Titus 1:5-9; 1 Timothy 3).
Eisegesis typically involves reading something into the text that's not there: e.g. If the giving of the great commission and the giving of the Spirit to both genders means both genders are supposed to be pastors, then we could say that since only men are mentioned at the Last Supper, women are not supposed to take communion (Matthew 26:17-30).
Eisegesis often creates doctrine from situations not meant to create doctrine. If Jesus asking Mary to tell the disciples He was alive creates a doctrine affirming female pastors, we might just as logically claim that men who follow Christ are supposed to get their tax money from fish mouths because that's what Christ told Peter to do (Matthew 17:24-27).
For another example of eisegesis see False Teachings about Sodom and Gomorrah.
For one-minute devotions about God's design for men and women:
TY, Gail. I am of the opinion that 'women's lib' is the worst thing that happened for women. They were lied to when they were told that they'd be much more fulfilled and happier going to work every day rather than working at home and raising their children. They were essentially robbed of that Joy and now history has shown that it was all part of an evil design. Take the Mother out of the Home by enticing her and what has now happened to the children? They are being raised by total strangers and taught horrific things in many schools, displacing Moms and usurping their authority.
ReplyDeleteThe rapture is a good example of eisegesis. Reading something into a text that's not true.
ReplyDeletehow?
Deletethe word 'Rapture' isnt in the Bible, but its a name given to simplify the 'Events' in Luke, Mark, Revelation and others.
Revelation 3:10
"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."
Luke 17:34-35
"I tell you, on that night, two people will be in one bed, one will be TAKEN and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together, one will be TAKEN and the other left."
Mark 13:26-27
"At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send His angels and GATHER his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens."
Revelation 14:14-19
"Harvesting the Earth and Trampling the Winepress
14 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man[a] with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16 So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.
17 Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” 19 The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath."
this is Written, Gods Words = exegesis
((Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
ex·e·ge·sis
/ˌeksəˈjēsəs/
noun
noun: exegesis; plural noun: exegeses
critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.
"the task of biblical exegesis"))
not eisegesis:
((eisegesis [ ahy-si-jee-sis ]
Phonetic (Standard)
IPA
noun
, Plural eis·e·ge·ses [ahy-si-, jee, -seez].
an interpretation, especially of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter's own ideas, bias, or the like, rather than the meaning of the text.))
this seems to be quite clear in Gods own Words, NOT "Reading something into a text that's not true."
Hi Gail, I'm undecided about this female elders/pastors issue. When I look at 1Tim 2:9-15, my Bible commentary strongly suggests this was because of the culture of the time. To quote: "To understand these verses, we must understand the situation in which Paul + Timothy worked. When Paul said that women should learn in quietness + full submission, he was offering them an amazing new opportunity. Paul did not want the Ephesian women to teach because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience. The Ephesian church had a particular problem with false teachers. Evidently the women were especially susceptible to false teachings, because they did not yet have enough Biblical knowledge to discern the truth...... In previous letters Paul had discussed male/female roles in marriage (Eph 5:21-22, Col 3:18-19). Here he talks about gender roles within the church. Some scholars see these verses about Adam + Eve as an illustration of what was happening in the Ephesian church. Just as Eve had been deceived in the Garden, so women in the church were being deceived by false teachers. And just as Adam was the 1st human created by God, so the men in the church at Ephesus should be the 1st to speak + teach, because they had more training. This view, then, stresses that Paul's teaching here is not universal, but applies to churches with similar problems. Other scholars, however, contend that the roles Paul points out are God's design for his created order...." How do we really know what was a rule meant for the culture then, or a rule for all time?
ReplyDeleteHI Bev,
DeleteI hope to do a couple of posts on this since a number of people wrote asking me questions. Regarding your question: I use Bible commentaries all the time to help me better understand the original languages and the meaning of the words and how other passages of Scripture help us better understand them. That's based on scholarship. But commentaries also contain some opinion, and some of the modern ones contain a great deal of opinion. In fact, some actually have an agenda to present a particular view.
And consider what this commentary in your Bible is saying: if we decide that 1 Timothy 2:9-15 doesn't apply to us today even though it doesn't contain any language that refers to the culture of the time or any language that limits it, we can basically discount everything in Scripture with that argument. For example, we could use that reasoning to dismiss passages against sex outside of marriage or LGBTQ lifestyles. In fact, that is the exact argument used by gay revisionists who insist homosexuality is fully approved by God. They insist that all of the passages against homosexuality are based on cultural misunderstandings.
And this commentary also uses this cultural explanation for the passages in Ephesians and Colossians. So it definitely is giving more liberal explanations. Explanations that were not used until the 20th Century when feminism became so prevalent.
In my study of Scripture, I have found only one New Testament passage that contains a cultural practice and the language in that passage is very clearly talking about a cultural practice. I've written about it here: Should Women Wear Headcoverings?
https://biblelovenotes.blogspot.com/2021/08/should-women-wear-head-coverings.html
Maybe there are other passages like that which I haven't discovered, but I don't see anything present in the passages about women's roles in the church that lend themselves to that interpretation.
And to believe this view, we also have to believe that God is a poor communicator. That he allowed Paul to explain something poorly so it would be misunderstood for thousands of years until modern feminists came along to help us understand it.
I don't think we can fully understand God's purposes and plans. There's some mystery involved. But I believe we can understand what we need to understand. I believe that women are every bit as capable as a man to be a pastor or elder, but there is something about that relationship that isn't healthy for us and I trust that God knows more than I do.